Originally by: Maelia Gurast

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Originally by: Fallorn

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Have you suicided ships for the fun of it?

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Yes I have. I've also suicided out of boredom, stupidity, and because I follow my FC's orders to a T, even when I shouldn't have.

Originally by: Fallorn

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Have you ever seen a non-npc titan? Have you had to deal with fleet fights where you know in anything less than a cap ship you are useless because your enemies can doomsday you ever 10 mins?

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I wasn't aware that only people who have see Titans were the only people qualified to vote on this issue, but thank you for letting me know that something I might see/do in the future is something I cannot vote on now; you may as well take your own advice when voting on issues too in the future.
Yes, I have been involved in fleet battles where one might expect only some of the capital ships to get out safely, and if any non-capitals came back, it was because de-sync had kept them from joining the fight.

Originally by: Fallorn

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Did people in your corp make eve-mon because they wanted to help friends? Did your corp start a wiki to help all your new player and get thousands of new players out into 0.0 space? Really were you station camped into syndicate by BOB when your entire alliance had less than 5 cap ships, and told you would never be able to live in 0.0 space again? People have taken a dump on us for years and we fight back, grow stronger, grow larger because people like you. Hell Bane wrote the titan manifesto that got things changed.

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So what I read here is that I must have been in a corporation of thousands, many with attention problems, in order to be taken seriously by you. I would never be in a corporation that recruited new players by the hundreds. I would sooner leave, and then to take them to 0.0 space... well, ask outsiders what they see GS as. They are disconnected from the main of EVE, and always have been largely. That is why it is was nearly required of your older members to create EVEMon and a wiki- you had too many new players lost in EVE, with too few people to show them how to play properly.

In contrast, most PvP corporations recruit people either based on skillpoints, or may choose to let such slide when talking to an extraordinary person with as much focus, determination, and maturity, that their SP isn't a true reflection of how they grasp the game. Needless to say, this wasn't how GS gained so many members early on, recruiting from the get go from the Something Awful forums as one of the first requirements. I am not aware there was any SP limit, or any in-game requirements for that matter, and as time has gone on and members have left, I am sure many other requirements have been lowered simply to keep active member count up.

In short, those looking in will see what I see in the end. While there are a number of players who are good at the game, are mature, or show some responsibility or tact at the least, many of your players will always be viewed as being immature children who want only their way, and will go to any means to accomplish such- and the proof positive is here in the CSM forums as a final nail in the lid.

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